I am not following much of the politics, so excuse my ignorance on this issue, but just looking at this article and the youtube clip of rachael maddow, I don't see a clear connection towards killing anyone. The psalm 109.8 reads "Let his days be few and let another take his office". The murderous lines 109.9 etc were not used on tshirts etc. I did find the article by Pruden to be shockin
http://mediamatters.org/blog/200911160068
didn't know how such puerile stuff was published in a respected newspaper. This seemed to be the only useful information in the rachael maddow clip
The rachael maddow clip seemed to be biased. She started with views put up by glenn beck and bill o'reilly, which even though were emotional, have nothing to do with criminal acts against president obama.
Then we have Mr. Frank Shaffer ranting about this psalm sticker issue and the example of a single nutjob carryin a gun during a rally, as a rallying cause for a blood revolution against obama. That pslam 109.8 does not even talk about killing. I cant believe that all these idiot right wingies are buying psalm 109.8 shirts and actually believin they are wearing pslam 109.9 shirts.
Mr. Shaffer even talks about mini messages put up by fox news asking god to kill obama. Arent these just conspiracy theories.
then he compares these guys to the taliban that quote the koran out of context. But the taliban quotes, explicitly talk about killing. Psalm 109.8 does not talk about killing.
The bible is a text which is written as a word of hope for a society that was either a slave to the forces of nature or to other humans. It was written as a word of god for a society tht was at the recieving end of life's ordeals. If there are passages in the bible that talk about freedom from a dictatorial occupier, it is natural to expect wish of evil doings happening to this occupier in the same chapter. If in the 20th century people that believe in the bible actually use quotes from the book to express their frustations against their present leader, these frustations should not be considered evil just because these quotes lie close to the "harm inflicting" quotes in the bible.
There is always a possibility of misuse. But putting up a conspiracy theory which says that the right wingers in reality wanted to inculcate their followers in to the language of pslams 109.9 etc in disguise of psalm 109.8, seems quite like a silly propoganda item or atleast that is the impression that i got by the presentation made by Ms. Maddow and Mr. Shaffer
Mr. Shaffer keeps referring to his book, seems like he is rabble rousing just to advertise his book.
http://mediamatters.org/bl
didn't know how such puerile stuff was published in a respected newspaper. This seemed to be the only useful information in the rachael maddow clip
The rachael maddow clip seemed to be biased. She started with views put up by glenn beck and bill o'reilly, which even though were emotional, have nothing to do with criminal acts against president obama.
Then we have Mr. Frank Shaffer ranting about this psalm sticker issue and the example of a single nutjob carryin a gun during a rally, as a rallying cause for a blood revolution against obama. That pslam 109.8 does not even talk about killing. I cant believe that all these idiot right wingies are buying psalm 109.8 shirts and actually believin they are wearing pslam 109.9 shirts.
Mr. Shaffer even talks about mini messages put up by fox news asking god to kill obama. Arent these just conspiracy theories.
then he compares these guys to the taliban that quote the koran out of context. But the taliban quotes, explicitly talk about killing. Psalm 109.8 does not talk about killing.
The bible is a text which is written as a word of hope for a society that was either a slave to the forces of nature or to other humans. It was written as a word of god for a society tht was at the recieving end of life's ordeals. If there are passages in the bible that talk about freedom from a dictatorial occupier, it is natural to expect wish of evil doings happening to this occupier in the same chapter. If in the 20th century people that believe in the bible actually use quotes from the book to express their frustations against their present leader, these frustations should not be considered evil just because these quotes lie close to the "harm inflicting" quotes in the bible.
There is always a possibility of misuse. But putting up a conspiracy theory which says that the right wingers in reality wanted to inculcate their followers in to the language of pslams 109.9 etc in disguise of psalm 109.8, seems quite like a silly propoganda item or atleast that is the impression that i got by the presentation made by Ms. Maddow and Mr. Shaffer
Mr. Shaffer keeps referring to his book, seems like he is rabble rousing just to advertise his book.
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I don't disagree with the phobic reaction towards obama's occupation of the highest american office by a sizeable portion of the american populace.
I am talking about the negative impact of the psalm as a message for somebody to carry out unlawful acts against the president. I find the statement that verse 8 was chosen as a coverup for verse 9 as a means of avoiding prosecution, to be of loose bearing. Prosecution is a possibility even if verse 8 is considered, as it is the part of the same paragraph as verse 9 just as you have said. Such an argument could possibly not hold a grain of salt if a counter argument could be given that most sentences in the bible are read independently of one another as a common practice. Now, if this is actually common practice, then assuming that the verse 8 was advertized in order to cause physical harm to the president seems wrong.
The psalm verses were actually in full public view, but it would not be too wrong to assume that even filthier dangerous sermons wishing wrongdoings to obama are given in many faith houses in america. Especially the one's in the south.
I am talking about cause and effect relationship that the advertising of the 8th verse really has. It is not like the advertisement of the 8th verse was really required to cause some nutcases to pick up the bible and actually read the rest of the verses and make up his mind about what has to be done to obama. This is because if such a guy believes in the bible, then he is already the member of a church and his church must already have inculcated in to his mind about the actions he needs to take and he wouldn't really require an advertisement to make up his mind.
I don't see a necessary correlation between the possibility of harm to obama and the psalm, even though the question of a malicious intent cannot be totally excluded.
As I have said before, I am not totally up to date with the political situation in America. I wrote my previous comment after going over the rachael maddow show clip. Ms. Maddow gave me an impression that these verses were just some propganda item, because they followed some clips of glenn beck and bill o'reilly which had nothing to do with harming of the president. Neither were alternatives towards prosecution talked about instead she brought a guest who seemed to bolster her standing that it was a religious tone of the present opposition to obama that was different from other oppositions of the president and somehow the segment seemed to link religious opposition, bill o' reilly and glenn beck to verses that talk about harming obama. When I didnt see any logical connections in the same and neither did I see any discussions on methods of persecuting the verse advertizers, it seemed that possibly ms. maddow herself didnt look at the verses being of actual harm to obama, but were more of an excuse as a propoganda item for a smear campaign against the right in general.
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